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"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview."
-Tenzin Gyatso, His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama

I replaced Buddhism with my own spiritual beliefs. I like the idea that science and faith need to work together to understand the universe. Religion should not stay five hundred yards away from science at all times.*
It's part of the reason my novel has elements of both magic and science, working in harmony.

*Name where that paraphrased quote comes from and you get a cookie.

Date: 2007-10-24 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwynethfar.livejournal.com
You know, I read a couple of books about Buddhism, and it seemed like such a downer. I guess I'm not meant for enlightenment this time around. ^_^

Date: 2007-10-24 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's an acquired taste, I think. I like some of the concepts, but I can't see myself following or practicing it.

Date: 2007-10-25 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwynethfar.livejournal.com
Right, like, I can't foresee ever eating an awesome cookie, with M&Ms and frosting and stuff, and being like, "Now, when I eat this cookie, it will cause me suffering, because everything causes suffering." No. It's a cookie. There is no way it will cause me suffering.

Date: 2007-10-25 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Mmm, frosting...
Ahem.

When I was in pre-school, I had a very mean, aggressive classmate named Justine. Her parents were Buddhists and didn't believe in discipline or punishment the way my parents did. Justine ran wild. She liked to hit me and pull my hair.

Date: 2007-10-26 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
What if the cookie is poisoned?

Date: 2007-10-26 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Do we know the cookie is poisoned? Because if we don't, well... we're still happy.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
Our ignorance of its deadly nature does not change that nature.

And it's a slow-working poison, too.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Hmm...
I suppose, then, that it would cause suffering. However, as humans we tend to do things we love despite the fact that we could suffer. We rationalize, we justify. So, even though the cookie would bring suffering, we might still eat and enjoy it, because at that moment, it is a delicious cookie and we will gain pleasure and satisfaction from eating it. Living in the moment. Even up to our deaths.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
But we can't assume the cookie is delicious. It may have been baked by a three-toed sloth, who surely has no natural talent for baking, and cannot even read the recipe. The chances of a successful production of a delicious cookie are unlikely.

I will concede that, before the actual tasting of the cookie, we could fool ourselves into believing it is tasty, and therefore create a temporary reality, a spider-web that seems substantial until the breeze of the unsavory sensation tears it to shreds.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Well, it has been shown that we can create tiny pockets of personal reality in our own minds, so we could indeed believe that the cookie is delicious and wonderful. People do have varying tastes, though, and perhaps a cookie baked by a talentless three-toed sloth would be very tasty to some.

Date: 2007-10-27 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
True.

Well, if the subject was told that the cookie was poisoned, and that the subject would die a slow death upon ingestion, and then the cookie was forced into the subject's mouth, then the cookie would never be a source of joy for that person.

Date: 2007-10-27 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
No, the cookie would never be a source of joy... but what about other desserts?

Date: 2007-10-28 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
Why do you seek to assign labels to food? Labels just serve to divide them and prevent harmony.

Date: 2007-10-28 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
I don't, I'm just thinking.

Date: 2007-10-29 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
You can't fool me. You're one of the food oppressors! I should have realized it was all a conspiracy.

You know, I'm surprised a discussion about cookies lasted this long.

Date: 2007-10-29 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
Sigh.
*throws up hands*
Okay, you caught me. I am a food oppressor. It's a massive, global conspiracy, by the way. You cannot stop us!

So am I. It was fun!

Date: 2007-10-29 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poelaramont.livejournal.com
The Resistance shall not give up!

Ah, the philosophy of cookies. It was fun.

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